shivarajan
04-07 04:45 PM
I agree TARP revceived firms cannot renew H1B after 6 years or apply for GC. Those rules may change as per time. Most of the firms who like to hire H1B. So don't know whether it will get better or worst for your situation.
I don't think above is correct!
Existing employees are eligible for extensions as of now and did not hear that the no gc clause for existing employees either!
In fact if u r in non-h1b working for TARP companies then u r even eligible for new H1. All rules apply for new hires only.
I don't think above is correct!
Existing employees are eligible for extensions as of now and did not hear that the no gc clause for existing employees either!
In fact if u r in non-h1b working for TARP companies then u r even eligible for new H1. All rules apply for new hires only.
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glus
12-27 03:05 PM
Hello Helper!
thank you for reading my thread.
My wife entered the US on a tourist visa (B-2). She was accepted at a univeristy here in the US so she applied for a change of status (application I-539) from tourist visa (B-2) to student visa (F-1) on 30th October 2008. Her I-94 expires on January 3rd 2009 (in a few days time!) and we still have not heard anything from immigration about our case.
1. Should my wife stay here until we hear from US immigration or does my wife have to go back to her home country?
2. Will my wife be considered out-of-status if she stays here while waiting for any news from US immigration? What if her student visa gets denied?
3. What are the chances of the change-of-status being approved?
4. If her student visa gets denied, after how many days does my wife have to leave?
Thank you for all your help. Please do reply even if you do not know the answer to all questions. take care and good luck with all your immigration goals
1. She can stay here while the change of status is pending.
2. NO, she will NOT be considered out of status. Rather, she will be in period authorized by the attorney general
3. No one can answer this. If all paperwork submitted was legitimate, and there were no issues with her non-immigrant status, the petition should be approved and status changed to F-1.
4. They usually say she should leave as soon as possible.
Regards,
thank you for reading my thread.
My wife entered the US on a tourist visa (B-2). She was accepted at a univeristy here in the US so she applied for a change of status (application I-539) from tourist visa (B-2) to student visa (F-1) on 30th October 2008. Her I-94 expires on January 3rd 2009 (in a few days time!) and we still have not heard anything from immigration about our case.
1. Should my wife stay here until we hear from US immigration or does my wife have to go back to her home country?
2. Will my wife be considered out-of-status if she stays here while waiting for any news from US immigration? What if her student visa gets denied?
3. What are the chances of the change-of-status being approved?
4. If her student visa gets denied, after how many days does my wife have to leave?
Thank you for all your help. Please do reply even if you do not know the answer to all questions. take care and good luck with all your immigration goals
1. She can stay here while the change of status is pending.
2. NO, she will NOT be considered out of status. Rather, she will be in period authorized by the attorney general
3. No one can answer this. If all paperwork submitted was legitimate, and there were no issues with her non-immigrant status, the petition should be approved and status changed to F-1.
4. They usually say she should leave as soon as possible.
Regards,
eagerr2i
07-20 01:38 PM
Atleast that is one thing good in California. May be because we pay the highest state taxes in the nation next to NY. If you are living in the border areas. check with IL or IN about their feee schedule and explore if she could enroll in one of the colleges there. Most of the states in midwest grant instate tution to residents of neighbouring states who are in the neighbourhood counties. I know for sure that Indiana does. They also charge instate tution for spouses since you are a resident of the state.
The law states that you will be charged instate tution if you are a resident of the state by virtue of living in the state except in cases where you come to the state to get education. Check it again for Michigan and expore the neighbouring states as well. Best of luck.
The law states that you will be charged instate tution if you are a resident of the state by virtue of living in the state except in cases where you come to the state to get education. Check it again for Michigan and expore the neighbouring states as well. Best of luck.
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WillIBLucky
11-17 10:47 AM
MY intention was not to make this India Specific, but to bring to light the lobbying effort....Although the Bill is not passed....it is silently being pushed. The Immigration reform and SKILL is being touted and shouted abt so much, that it becomes a scare for congressmen to even touch it, let alone pass it.
We have to work secretly more than ever..its important. and I hope IV is doing exactly that with Quinn and Gillespi
The bill is passed by both the house now. All its needs is to reconsile by the commitee and its done for President's signature. This was priority for the President all the time since he announced in March 2006 in India. Ofsourse everthing needs lobbying. And IV, I think is doing its best in this regard.
I think we should stop responding to this thread and leave it as it is. I am Indian and I am happy for India that this deal is passed. Now lets concentrate on our major problem, "The Green Card". Hope you all understand that.
We have to work secretly more than ever..its important. and I hope IV is doing exactly that with Quinn and Gillespi
The bill is passed by both the house now. All its needs is to reconsile by the commitee and its done for President's signature. This was priority for the President all the time since he announced in March 2006 in India. Ofsourse everthing needs lobbying. And IV, I think is doing its best in this regard.
I think we should stop responding to this thread and leave it as it is. I am Indian and I am happy for India that this deal is passed. Now lets concentrate on our major problem, "The Green Card". Hope you all understand that.
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gc_chahiye
07-09 03:50 PM
over 250 people responded to the earlier poll and we see that atleast among IV'ites the PDs are spread all over the years (10% 20% 20% 30%-2006 10%-2007), and there are significant number of 2003/2004 PDs out there.
This followup poll is to see how many of these people are already in the I-485 system (likely to use up visa number as soon as one is available) vs waiting to file I-485.
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***DO NOT COUNT YOUR I-485 FILING IN JULY 2007 FOR THIS POLL. EVEN IF YOU FILED ON JULY 1ST OR JULY 2ND***
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ONLY EB2-INDIA PLEASE.
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This poll can be read in conjunction with another poll on EB2 priority-dates:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6128
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This followup poll is to see how many of these people are already in the I-485 system (likely to use up visa number as soon as one is available) vs waiting to file I-485.
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***DO NOT COUNT YOUR I-485 FILING IN JULY 2007 FOR THIS POLL. EVEN IF YOU FILED ON JULY 1ST OR JULY 2ND***
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ONLY EB2-INDIA PLEASE.
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This poll can be read in conjunction with another poll on EB2 priority-dates:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6128
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HV000
03-09 01:26 PM
Can somebody recommend/suggest good immigration attorneys in Chicago for filing G-28 and AC-21?
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colors
09-23 12:26 PM
We will watch and see ... soft LUDs on my case too.
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Jipjap74
04-23 04:12 PM
Who said anything about a 10 year old boy? Correct me if im wrong but this is a public forum and I can ask whatever question I want to ask. Its up to you if you want to answer it. All i asked was if anyone had come across this situation, if you haven't and you don't have a constructive opinion id rather you kept your snide remarks to yourself.
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vamsi_poondla
09-10 10:45 AM
All,
I think we are most close to H-1B process and thus we should be one who should propose changes to H-1B program to congress so that they can make program more fair and transparent to all. I suggest the following changes. I think IV core should take this up with senator/house representative.
H1-B improvements:
1) Instead of visa becoming available once every year (1 October), make visa � of the visa quota available every quarter and one can apply for visa in any given quarter on any day of the quarter or 10 days before the start of the quarter. Unused visas of preceding quarter are added to the next quarter.
2) Remove lottery system of awarding visa. In stead use the following method:
a. Until the first day of quarter, all applications for that quarter is accepted (first day of the quarter not included). Visa availability decision is made on first day of the quarter and then every first day of the week of that quarter. Let call these days �visa count day (VCD)�.
b. If number of application received between to consecutive �visa count day� or before the first VCD is less then number of available visas, all those applications are assigned available visas. Available visa count is reduced by number of applications with assigned visas.
c. No application is accepted if it was received on or after the VCD AND it was determine on that VCD that sufficient visas are not available for applications received between preceding VCD and the current VCD (or 10 days if VCD is the start of the quarter). Call this VCD �cut-off VCD� and immediate week (or 10 days if this is first VCD) preceding it �cut-off period (CP)�
d. The application received is CP is assigned available visa as follows:
i. Create the pool of all the employers who have applied in CP and still have H-1B application requiring new visa.
ii. Start with an employer playing highest salary to the H-1B applicant and assigned one visa to that application. Remove this employer for the pool. Move on to next highest paying employer in the pool and assigned one visa to that application.
iii. Continue doing point two (ii) until all visas are exhausted or there are no more employers in the pool. In later case, again create employer pool as stated in point one (i) and repeat the process.
3) Special clause for consulting position: If application for H-1B visa requires consulting work, following is required:
a. New LCA is required every year and when consultant changes the client.
b. New LCA must be based on the client�s job and experience requirement.
c. H-1B applicant must be paid based on LCA.
d. If H-1B applicant can establish significant fraud/H-1B exploitation, he/she (and any dependent) is awarded EAD immediately and he/she is eligible to apply for permanent residency without employer application. Employer is no longer eligible to apply for H-1B application and is fined $1million per fraud.
Some are good ideas. Did you think of the administrative overhead? What is the need for the special clause? It is too restrictive.
I think, in long run, increasing the cap, preventing the exploitation/ fraud, faster GC process are workable solutions. I sometimes hear that some companies bring L1B holders and place them as consultants ( a clear violation of L1 visa)..That is the area lawmakers should really drill more. L1 is clearly exploited, it is used like a virtual back door with no cap limits.
I think we are most close to H-1B process and thus we should be one who should propose changes to H-1B program to congress so that they can make program more fair and transparent to all. I suggest the following changes. I think IV core should take this up with senator/house representative.
H1-B improvements:
1) Instead of visa becoming available once every year (1 October), make visa � of the visa quota available every quarter and one can apply for visa in any given quarter on any day of the quarter or 10 days before the start of the quarter. Unused visas of preceding quarter are added to the next quarter.
2) Remove lottery system of awarding visa. In stead use the following method:
a. Until the first day of quarter, all applications for that quarter is accepted (first day of the quarter not included). Visa availability decision is made on first day of the quarter and then every first day of the week of that quarter. Let call these days �visa count day (VCD)�.
b. If number of application received between to consecutive �visa count day� or before the first VCD is less then number of available visas, all those applications are assigned available visas. Available visa count is reduced by number of applications with assigned visas.
c. No application is accepted if it was received on or after the VCD AND it was determine on that VCD that sufficient visas are not available for applications received between preceding VCD and the current VCD (or 10 days if VCD is the start of the quarter). Call this VCD �cut-off VCD� and immediate week (or 10 days if this is first VCD) preceding it �cut-off period (CP)�
d. The application received is CP is assigned available visa as follows:
i. Create the pool of all the employers who have applied in CP and still have H-1B application requiring new visa.
ii. Start with an employer playing highest salary to the H-1B applicant and assigned one visa to that application. Remove this employer for the pool. Move on to next highest paying employer in the pool and assigned one visa to that application.
iii. Continue doing point two (ii) until all visas are exhausted or there are no more employers in the pool. In later case, again create employer pool as stated in point one (i) and repeat the process.
3) Special clause for consulting position: If application for H-1B visa requires consulting work, following is required:
a. New LCA is required every year and when consultant changes the client.
b. New LCA must be based on the client�s job and experience requirement.
c. H-1B applicant must be paid based on LCA.
d. If H-1B applicant can establish significant fraud/H-1B exploitation, he/she (and any dependent) is awarded EAD immediately and he/she is eligible to apply for permanent residency without employer application. Employer is no longer eligible to apply for H-1B application and is fined $1million per fraud.
Some are good ideas. Did you think of the administrative overhead? What is the need for the special clause? It is too restrictive.
I think, in long run, increasing the cap, preventing the exploitation/ fraud, faster GC process are workable solutions. I sometimes hear that some companies bring L1B holders and place them as consultants ( a clear violation of L1 visa)..That is the area lawmakers should really drill more. L1 is clearly exploited, it is used like a virtual back door with no cap limits.
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Ramba
05-22 03:15 PM
Bill Gates testified in front of most of the important senators who wrote this bill. Even he could not make a difference. There is nothing in this bill he had asked for.
Not IV or Lobby group that IV has, can it really make a difference? There is as much as we can do and everything else becomes uncontrolable. Even IV core group are normal people like us but with connections more than us. But they have their own regular job to do as well.
So I guess we can only try calling the senators and hope they will change their mind and hope for the best. Expecting and/or trusting IV or Lobby group will really help would be sacrificial.
I am not questioning what IV does. The core group really does what is their in their hands and we should appreciate that.
Good Luck!
Bill Gates voice was heard in the bill..I mean, the bill increased H1B visa to 115K .
Not IV or Lobby group that IV has, can it really make a difference? There is as much as we can do and everything else becomes uncontrolable. Even IV core group are normal people like us but with connections more than us. But they have their own regular job to do as well.
So I guess we can only try calling the senators and hope they will change their mind and hope for the best. Expecting and/or trusting IV or Lobby group will really help would be sacrificial.
I am not questioning what IV does. The core group really does what is their in their hands and we should appreciate that.
Good Luck!
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pcbadgujar
09-22 03:45 PM
Hi PCS,
I would appreciate if you confirm if the notarized experience letter is accepted as substitute for the original experience letter. I am planning use a preapproved labor but the job requirement for that labor requires some specific skills. My old employer would not give me the letter. So can I ask my colleague to send me a notarized experience letter ?
Thanks,
pcbadgujar
I would appreciate if you confirm if the notarized experience letter is accepted as substitute for the original experience letter. I am planning use a preapproved labor but the job requirement for that labor requires some specific skills. My old employer would not give me the letter. So can I ask my colleague to send me a notarized experience letter ?
Thanks,
pcbadgujar
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hyddsnr
04-30 08:45 PM
I am not sure if this question being answered in this forum.
Need experties if any one have this situation.
Employer: X (Old Employer)
Labor - EB2
PD - Sept , 2006
I-140 Approved
Employer : Y (Current)
Labor : EB3
PD : May 9 2003I
1-140 Approved
I-485 : Pending
Q : Is it possible to change/port category EB3 - EB2 and keeping the EB3 Date of 2003
Q : How is the apeal done considering I-485 is already filled.
My Attorney says better to file fresh EB2 with current company.
Please reply with your experties or if being deal with this one.
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Potrero
Hi,
Mine is same case, but with same employer, In my case my attorney used below law.PD is done successfully and got GC . But it took nearly 1 year time. I don't think we need to apply new EB2. But anyways talk to experienced lawyer who has done PD earlier.
According to 8 C.F. R. 204.5(e), When a Beneficiary has multiple approved I-140 petitions,
he is entitled to the earliest priority date....
Need experties if any one have this situation.
Employer: X (Old Employer)
Labor - EB2
PD - Sept , 2006
I-140 Approved
Employer : Y (Current)
Labor : EB3
PD : May 9 2003I
1-140 Approved
I-485 : Pending
Q : Is it possible to change/port category EB3 - EB2 and keeping the EB3 Date of 2003
Q : How is the apeal done considering I-485 is already filled.
My Attorney says better to file fresh EB2 with current company.
Please reply with your experties or if being deal with this one.
-Thanks
Potrero
Hi,
Mine is same case, but with same employer, In my case my attorney used below law.PD is done successfully and got GC . But it took nearly 1 year time. I don't think we need to apply new EB2. But anyways talk to experienced lawyer who has done PD earlier.
According to 8 C.F. R. 204.5(e), When a Beneficiary has multiple approved I-140 petitions,
he is entitled to the earliest priority date....
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martinvisalaw
09-09 10:02 PM
CIS cannot approve a change of status to H-1B since you are not maintaining status. You will likely be approved as a notify and need to leave the US, get a H-1B visa, and then re-enter in H-1B status. It is critical that you don't overstay your I-94 by 180 days. If you do, you are subject to a 3 year bar on returning to the US.
You are out of status now, and have been out of status since your I-94 expired. You could be removed (deported) if you were found by CIS.
I suggest getting a second legal opinion because your lawyer might be giving you misleading information. It's hard to tell without knowing all the facts and what exactly s/he said to you.
You are out of status now, and have been out of status since your I-94 expired. You could be removed (deported) if you were found by CIS.
I suggest getting a second legal opinion because your lawyer might be giving you misleading information. It's hard to tell without knowing all the facts and what exactly s/he said to you.
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k_usa
12-01 12:42 PM
Same with me. Mine is also H1 extension with VSC.
My notice date is 10/31/08 and RD is 10/28/08
Hello Everyone,
My employer filed for my H1-B extension and I have already received the Receipt with "Received date" and "Notice Date" of October 21, 2008 and October 24, 2008 respectively." My case is in Vermont Center.
When I do the case search on USCIS.gov site, it says:
"Your case can not be found at this time in Case Status Online. Please check your receipt number and try again. If you need further assistance, you can either call the National Customer Service Center at 1.800.375.5283, or you can send an e-mail to uscis.webmaster@dhs.gov."
I found at least one forum member in similar situation. Are there anyone else out there with the similar situation. Just trying to see if this is a unique issue or its happening to few more people. Please drop in a line if you are in a similar situation. We would appreciate it a lot.
Thanks
PS: Worthy to mention the numbers and email listed on the error message leads you no where. I wonder why they even have it there.
My notice date is 10/31/08 and RD is 10/28/08
Hello Everyone,
My employer filed for my H1-B extension and I have already received the Receipt with "Received date" and "Notice Date" of October 21, 2008 and October 24, 2008 respectively." My case is in Vermont Center.
When I do the case search on USCIS.gov site, it says:
"Your case can not be found at this time in Case Status Online. Please check your receipt number and try again. If you need further assistance, you can either call the National Customer Service Center at 1.800.375.5283, or you can send an e-mail to uscis.webmaster@dhs.gov."
I found at least one forum member in similar situation. Are there anyone else out there with the similar situation. Just trying to see if this is a unique issue or its happening to few more people. Please drop in a line if you are in a similar situation. We would appreciate it a lot.
Thanks
PS: Worthy to mention the numbers and email listed on the error message leads you no where. I wonder why they even have it there.
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gccovet
06-12 05:30 PM
Hi All,
I was sponsored by Company A. Also they are sponsoring my GC. I have a pending i-485 since my PD is Nov2006.
Company B has bought Company A. What should I do now?
1) Do I have to ask them to file a fresh H1?
2) how would the GC process be transfered to the new company that took over?
I asked the greedy owner of company A (my so called sponsorer, but as usual I paid for all the expenses), he said there is no problem with regards to my immigration status.
Can someone shed some light on this scenario?
Thanks,
RC:o
No need of new H1 if company 'B's' HR has agreed to continue with 'A''s employees.
1. Get a EVL letter from company 'B'. (This is assuming name of 'A' will change to 'B' or new name.
2. You need to get a "Letter of Acquirement" from HR of new company (I am assuming that the name of the company is changing as well). If name does not change then you should be fine. If you have to travel out of US, you need to carry latest copy of EVL(of new company) and "Letter of Acquirement" along with you. (I went thru these few years back, PwCC bought over by IBM, immediately after the takeover I travelled out of US and came back without any problems(on H1)) this was quite a while back though, you may want to check with your company attorney though.
Note:
"Letter of Acquirement� would state that your 'A' company was bought over by 'B' company on Date and name has now changed to 'B'.
Good luck.
GCCovet
I was sponsored by Company A. Also they are sponsoring my GC. I have a pending i-485 since my PD is Nov2006.
Company B has bought Company A. What should I do now?
1) Do I have to ask them to file a fresh H1?
2) how would the GC process be transfered to the new company that took over?
I asked the greedy owner of company A (my so called sponsorer, but as usual I paid for all the expenses), he said there is no problem with regards to my immigration status.
Can someone shed some light on this scenario?
Thanks,
RC:o
No need of new H1 if company 'B's' HR has agreed to continue with 'A''s employees.
1. Get a EVL letter from company 'B'. (This is assuming name of 'A' will change to 'B' or new name.
2. You need to get a "Letter of Acquirement" from HR of new company (I am assuming that the name of the company is changing as well). If name does not change then you should be fine. If you have to travel out of US, you need to carry latest copy of EVL(of new company) and "Letter of Acquirement" along with you. (I went thru these few years back, PwCC bought over by IBM, immediately after the takeover I travelled out of US and came back without any problems(on H1)) this was quite a while back though, you may want to check with your company attorney though.
Note:
"Letter of Acquirement� would state that your 'A' company was bought over by 'B' company on Date and name has now changed to 'B'.
Good luck.
GCCovet
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SunnySurya
07-28 02:52 PM
I am also confused now!
[QUOTE=buddyinsfo;267932]I'm confused...Was the qn regarding an AP update for PDs before June 2006 or after June 2006? In the very first thread it says after. But the same quoted msg in SunnySurya's msg (the very second msg) says before. So, Ppl who said yes, was it for before June 2006 PD or after?
I feel that many EB2 filers before June 2006 have got this LUD.
[QUOTE=buddyinsfo;267932]I'm confused...Was the qn regarding an AP update for PDs before June 2006 or after June 2006? In the very first thread it says after. But the same quoted msg in SunnySurya's msg (the very second msg) says before. So, Ppl who said yes, was it for before June 2006 PD or after?
I feel that many EB2 filers before June 2006 have got this LUD.
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sbabunle
08-24 06:41 PM
Hello GreatGuy
You can be a lil more cordious and polite :rolleyes:
At least if you expect somebody to answer your question.
Hey guys knock it off. Labor substitution is legally allowed
till date. If this guy get a pre approved labor let him accept
it and get ahead. Nobody blocks you to accept pre approved
labor. I'm retrogressed with PD of 2003 on EB3 India. But for
that reason I dont think I'm going to shout at somebody using
a pre approved labor and get ahead of me.
Now to answer you question Mr GREAT.
DOL can replace if its not approved. Mainly they look at the
education and experience.
This situation can be a lil dicey. If I were you I would
get the reference no or something of that labor cert and verify
all the details. Secondly I would do a thorough research on this
employer. It would have been a lil better if its already approved.
On 2002 I got a pre approved labor offer. I got a copy of
the labor from this employer and had it looked by an attorney.
Atty said its a lil risky to accept it. So I did not take it.
Good luck GREAT. I expect you to be a lil more polite on these
forums.
You can be a lil more cordious and polite :rolleyes:
At least if you expect somebody to answer your question.
Hey guys knock it off. Labor substitution is legally allowed
till date. If this guy get a pre approved labor let him accept
it and get ahead. Nobody blocks you to accept pre approved
labor. I'm retrogressed with PD of 2003 on EB3 India. But for
that reason I dont think I'm going to shout at somebody using
a pre approved labor and get ahead of me.
Now to answer you question Mr GREAT.
DOL can replace if its not approved. Mainly they look at the
education and experience.
This situation can be a lil dicey. If I were you I would
get the reference no or something of that labor cert and verify
all the details. Secondly I would do a thorough research on this
employer. It would have been a lil better if its already approved.
On 2002 I got a pre approved labor offer. I got a copy of
the labor from this employer and had it looked by an attorney.
Atty said its a lil risky to accept it. So I did not take it.
Good luck GREAT. I expect you to be a lil more polite on these
forums.
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Charles H. Kuck
12-16 02:16 PM
File an H-1B extension while the PERM appeal is pending, asking for one year extension beyond the 6th year. It will be approved with proof of the pending appeal. Then, file a prepare a new PERM filing, withdraw the appeal, and file the new PERM case. With LUCK, you will be able to get the PERM approved and Premium Processed the I-140 before the termination of the 7th year H-1B.
Best regards,
Charles
Best regards,
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adi787
08-29 05:57 PM
Hello RamK
Can you please let me know, what you did finally?
I'm in the same boat.
awaiting for your reply.
Can you please let me know, what you did finally?
I'm in the same boat.
awaiting for your reply.
BharatPremi
11-21 01:30 PM
Happy Thanks Giving to IV family.
Happy Thanks giving to USCIS,DOS, Homeland Security and FBI
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pitha
07-12 10:40 PM
Please dont gets your hopes too high. I am not saying this out of scepticism but out of the depression and pain I experienced on july 2 when the evil uscis said they will reject all 485 applications.
I understand the good natured thought behind IV stating this possibility of "good news", but they should have held off on the announcement until it was confirmed. So many people are unnecessarily getting excited. god forbid if this news fails tommorow I can only imagine the pain the people would experience.
I can only pray and I will pray without getting excited.
I understand the good natured thought behind IV stating this possibility of "good news", but they should have held off on the announcement until it was confirmed. So many people are unnecessarily getting excited. god forbid if this news fails tommorow I can only imagine the pain the people would experience.
I can only pray and I will pray without getting excited.
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